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Old 14-03-17, 09:31
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Unless Kroenk goes, which he wont, I dont think Arsenal will achieve anything in the near or distant future.

Wenger and media pundits say Arsenal have spent money...and on the face of it, they have, but they are never in the race for the top playters in the game. When was the last time they beat Man Utd / Chelsea / Man City to a signing? It's frustrating beyond belief. Other clubs are pushing on and improving around them.

The only way for them to get out of this cycle of failure is for them to slip down the table, faile to qualify for Europe, Wenger go, see attendances fall, become unprofitable, get sold by Kroenk, get taken over by Usmanov.....sad but I fear true..
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Old 14-03-17, 15:28
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I do agree with that. I think a lot of Arsenal fans would. But knowing that and knowing that it is probably totally unavoidable is frustrating. One of the most annoying things about Wenger is either he is aware of this being the situation and is fine with it, or he has managed to totally delude himself. The fact that he seems oblivious to the fact that he is not the manager he once was indicates the latter to me.

The situation at Arsenal probably isn’t on the same scale, but do you remember the situation with Brian Clough at Nottingham Forest? Nottingham Forest won the European Cup twice under Clough (how many times has Wenger won it?!), but were relegated his final season as manager (I think they had been selling players too?) They have never really recovered from this and are still in the Championship, towards the bottom now. They even went down to League 1 at one stage. I’m not saying I think Wenger will take us down (although maybe if they let him continue into his 90s???), but I do think that he has been allowed to stay for too long and completely on his own terms.

I do wonder about Kroenk’s other sporting franchises in the United States. I think you said before that they had not been successful with Kroenk at the helm. I wonder if fans of these franchises in the United States don’t mind this, or if they are as annoyed with him as we are? I think in an interview a few seasons ago, he complained about being labelled ‘Silent Stan’ and yet he never communicates with the fans. If you don’t like it, Silent Stan, go to games and communicate with fans! Unbelievable. Don’t even get me started on Gazidis, who Wenger appointed and yet is supposedly answerable to and never seems to do anything! How does he justify his salary?!
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